Curse

johnnylange · Sep 09, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Shinsei

Lets look at the popular things the patch missed, and when these things were addressed for a second:

Cape toggling: Addressed the same day capes were implemented (before release). Has been addressed over and over again ever since. Ignored.

Guild storage: Addressed before release. Has been "coming soon" ever since.

Observer mode: Addressed before release. Has been "coming soon" ever since.

Etheral Renewal fix: Addressed before release, quietly, but it was addressed. It was ignored and claimed to be balanced, but that argument seems to have gone out the window with the popularity of the emo smiters. Holding on to their argument of ER being balanced, their "big fix" to the emo smiters was increasing Divine Boon and Draw Conditions recharge to 1 sec, increasing the overall rate of fire by a whopping 0.4 seconds (?), decreasing the dps by a barely noticable figure. Maybe you should play your own game a little there devs?

Real PvP content (maps/scenarios etc): Addressed since....forever. Their response to this prior to release was the infamous Crag. The map everyone and their grandmother still wants out of the game. No new tombs map since release. 2 (?) GvG maps since release, and 2 (?) new arena maps since release, only one having a unique scenario (but flawed), The Crag. Looking back at the famous IGN - Jeff Strain interview video, most of us call BS. "One team will try to escort a caravan through a mountain pass while others try to destroy it" - "Guilds who win our frequent tournies will have their banners put up in Lions Arch, and NPC's will have dialog about their victory, because our streaming technology rocks your socks".

A Real Ladder System: Addressed since forever. Anyone know where the heck the C from "CORPG" came from?

Too tired to put more out on the table, but these (and probably a few others) are the typical and viable complaints A.net deals with everyday. Yet after their "big summer" update, A.net decides they still want to hear these complaints. When making such a decision, prepared to recieve unsatisfied results from your customers.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not against what they implemented. I'm against what they didn't implement. The issues your community is not pleased about should always be the first issues you deal with. Who was asking for green items anyway?

Well, why don't you (along with the rest of the complainers) sit down the GW Staff and describe your issues, concerns, complaints, rants, etc and voice your opinions to them personally. While you're at it fill out an application for a job there so you can help them on some of these things.

Seriously kids, unless you're a programer or even have a clue as to how much work goes into a program like this, you should really find out before you go complaining about all the little problems of the world!

n0b of doom · Sep 09, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I have to say that I was very excited about the new update. The only thing I wanted to see which they didn't add yet is a guild vault. The other thing I will add is I was very disappointed by the final fight in sorrows and lack of a reward.

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

Well, why don't you (along with the rest of the complainers) sit down the GW Staff and describe your issues, concerns, complaints, rants, etc and voice your opinions to them personally. While you're at it fill out an application for a job there so you can help them on some of these things.

Seriously kids, unless you're a programer or even have a clue as to how much work goes into a program like this, you should really find out before you go complaining about all the little problems of the world!

and how do you know how many of us are programmers? or developers? or UI designers? If gaming were still the industry I was in I would gladly fill out an application for a job with ArenaNet...however ArenaNet can't even come close to affording my salary(that I'm not willing to part with)....these forums offer us an opportunity to say what we think and be heard by the developers. We are in essence all scoping analysts....a forum allows our thoughts to be heard. Telling the "whiners" to stfu and be happy with the half eaten cookie arenanet has given us is ignorant.

zehly · Sep 09, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

To Charcoal Ann.

My, my. I just to know what to say to you. Coming out and saying "whiners this" and "whiners that." I mean, the nerve.

THANK YOU. Someone needed to put something positive up here, and it was you, and you did a fabulous job summarizing my exact feelings on the matter.

/signed
~zehly

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 09, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

Well, why don't you (along with the rest of the complainers) sit down the GW Staff and describe your issues, concerns, complaints, rants, etc and voice your opinions to them personally. While you're at it fill out an application for a job there so you can help them on some of these things.

Seriously kids, unless you're a programer or even have a clue as to how much work goes into a program like this, you should really find out before you go complaining about all the little problems of the world!

It's not that Anet doesn't know what to do or they need more hands or programmers doing it or even that they are running behind.

I would probably agree with Sauron/KARMA-guy that they are just doing this to string people along.

I find that my problem is people who can't even play the update at all for complaints of what they didn't add - no, scratch that, I don't care what they do with their own copy of the game.

My problem is with the people who are trying to get Green items removed and the economy reset to the old 60-100k per monk rune so that can get a fat and hefty profit to fork over on e-bay or buy 20 sets of FoW/UW armor.

This whole "WELL! THE POINT OF THE GAME IS TO GET GOLD ITEMS!" arguement needs to stop being spammed. It's ruining the forum for some members who don't enjoy searching out the one good post out of the 100 mounds of junk and discouraging people looking to buy the game.

I'de like to post on these forums without the presence of the disgruntled and immature.

Loviatar · Sep 09, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

None of which, except for observer mode, were scheduled to come out with the Sorrow's Furnace update.

What happend to observer mode, anyway?

not scheduled for this update

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Alex Weekes
NCSoft

I've seen a lot of people discussing features such as Observer Mode, trade improvements and Toggleable capes. Please remember that none of these features were promised for this update, and in fact we have previously stated quite clearly that Observer Mode and the trade improvements would come *after* the Sorrow's update. The most recent news on these two very anticipated features was that Observer Mode is expected for the Fall, and that a new trade system will likely follow after that.

Sir Skullcrasher · Sep 09, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

geez.. even for a regular guy like me.. this thread is hijack and too many personal attacks have been posted. People, lets end this once and for all, and do something constructed like watching leeroy jenkin video 20 times in a row or try and create your own leeroy moment in Guild Wars!

Stop this crap of calling people to STFU since they like to complain!

*countdown till mod axe this post*

10.. 9...8.........

once again.. stop this flame wars

Charcoal Ann · Sep 09, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

To those of you comlaining about complaining about complainers and that strange remark about my not saying anything positive about whiners: i am not trying to start a flamefest. i am trying to stop GW devs from giving up on us because of what they see on this forum.

if you read other threads you will see that the observer mode was always going to come out after SF. all of your problems are being addressed by Anet. representitives on this forum have said so. give them a break.

would everyone have prefered SF to come to us before being populated? then to be upgraded over time? it would have been out sooner wouldn't it? but you would then have complained that it wasn't finished. they released it when it was finished not a moment before, not a moment after. they were conducting last minute tests the hour before release.

i have given up telling whiners to stop. i am contenting myself now with simply showing ANet that what they have done IS good.

some people need to look on the bright side. what has been done is great; what hasn't been addressed will be before the year is out.

you will enjoy the cookie more if you pace yourself. if they had fixed absolutely everything you would not know what to praise most, what to do in game. you would have too much choice.
this way you get to enjoy SF now. Observer mode in a couple of months and toggleable capes before that.
It will keep you occupied until Chapter 2.

who am i kidding... you are likely to complain about something else anyway.

Addresing some other points: Guild Vaults may not be a good idea. The scamming potential would be massive.
the reward for completing SF is COMPLETING SF.

Also. Please don't say things like it takes a couple of lines of code. or well you make us a better update in 4 months. or i am a computer programmer and it does only take 3 lines.

Personal attacks do not add weight to your argument. attempting to shut the other down by flat contradiction is worthless. we all know it takes a bit of work to do ANYTHING in programming.

Observer mode requires making players almost like partial Administrators... to be able to see what is hapening to someone else (and the time delay is also hard to make reliable i should think)

After PvPX they said that organised competitions will be more common now.
you seem to be axpecting a few people to do the work of a thousand. i don't know how big A-Net is but i do know that most companies of its type are very small by industrial standards.
you expect them to render the entire area of sorrows furnace, create many entirely new character models AND do all that other stuff as well? they are only human.

if you are going to complain about a lack of toggleable capes why not complain about third world poverty? this is much more important i should think.

please try to put everything into perspective. are you expecting a country like Italy say to suddenly be able to fix third world poverty? all in one go. within 4 months.

no that is unreasonable. but it is reasonable to expect a smallish company to make very large changes to an inhabited game whilst maintaining balance and reliability at all times?

Shinsei · Sep 09, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Threads devoted to a certain opinion never survive. You cannot post a thread and declare it to be "Only for positive replies!", because in reality, people have their own opinions. This thread was asking to be hijacked, and the OP was asking to be shot.

Sir Skullcrasher · Sep 09, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

*still waiting for mod to lock down this thread*

Charcoal Ann · Sep 09, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I was willing to be shot as well. i hope to divert the flames away from A-Net.

really and trully this thread was intended to get the multitude who DID like the update to actually say so. if other barge in then i don't really care. i have seen them all across the forum. you get to know the names after a while...

Tuna · Sep 09, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

i am trying to stop GW devs from giving up on us because of what they see on this forum.

Trying to stop them from stopping to earning money? I'm pretty sure they don't need you to keep them focused.

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observer mode was always going to come out after SF

Observer Mode was concieved before Sorrows Furnace was even close to the drawing board.

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After PvPX they said that organised competitions will be more common now.

More common eh? 2 times, maybe 3 times more common? 3 X 0 = 0.

Would it kill you to, you know, capitalize?

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

To those of you comlaining about complaining about complainers and that strange remark about my not saying anything positive about whiners: i am not trying to start a flamefest. i am trying to stop GW devs from giving up on us because of what they see on this forum.

see this is your major problem understanding our(the "whiners") point of view....the developers aren't gonna give up on you because they don't care about you. They care about making a buck....this is a business. You might want to believe that it's a labor of love....but if they weren't getting paid they wouldn't be doing it. All the updates and the promotions and the PR bullshit is to keep you playing the game so they can sell copies of Chapter 2. ArenaNet is not Santa Claus giving you free presents because you were a good little girl...they are an entity of corporate America trying to make a buck.

Shinsei · Sep 09, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

I was willing to be shot as well. i hope to divert the flames away from A-Net.

What a hero you are.

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

am trying to stop GW devs from giving up on us because of what they see on this forum.

You misunderstand. Complaints and criticism is what pushes a developement team to improve their product. If the demand for a certain change is high enough, it should be high on your priority list. If you're the kind that gives up when given criticism, goodluck getting a job.

Dax · Sep 09, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

You know.... WTF is up with the whole /signed thing? It's pretty freekin stupid if ya ask me. I hate to flame but if your going to waste bandwidth for heaven's sake just say you agree.

While I hate to side with people who worship the ground that Anet walks on, I can't help to think that they know what they are doing. For all you peeps that think you can do better, by all means go ahead. Truth be known most game companies are run poorly, but you all bought the game and if you continue to play despite never liking the updates that's your problem... not thiers.

I'm just trying to keep things upbeat

Charcoal Ann · Sep 09, 2005, 10:43 PM // 22:43

no i don't think that it is a labour of love Algren. i do think that it is business. however ALL online games are a business. why do you expect GW to be oh so totally different and give you everything all in one go so that the developers can go home penniless?

the thing that i most dislike is the complainers who complain for the sake of complaining.

a little lesson: constructive critisism is good. constructive critisism is along the lines of: this, this and this where good but you could do with doing this, this and this. maybe you should do this as it seems to be the best way to get this done?

Pointless critisism: this this and this are crap. fix it.

try and keep to the former form of critisism. it is the only worthwhile kind.

Sanji · Sep 09, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Yeah, these days video games typically aren't made of sunshine, gumdrops and the smiles of childern across the world.

They're made from money for money. I'm sure nobody is going to quit their job at Anet because someone wrote a nasty thread about how they hate that they can't solo endgame content with a netbuild anymore. Nor is NCsoft going to yank funding on patching and marketing of Guild Wars no matter how much forum noise there is when it is still making them money.

Customers are going to give the feedback they feel suitable and whether it is polite or not doesn't matter. It is up to Anet and NCsoft to judge whether it is valuable. No matter what you think, there is absolutely no obligation for a paying customer to be constructive.

But more importantly, there is absolutely no way to stop people from venting their frustrations in front of an audience of peers on a forum without zealously moderating posts. Which, unfortunately, is a good way to kill off a forum.

With that out of the way, I really like the update, and I think Anet is doing a great job.

kg_lildude1 · Sep 09, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

/signed my hats off to a-net for a "overall" good update, i myself and probably every other player had a problem with one aspect or another but imho murphy explains it best

-"Behind every little problem there's a larger problem, waiting for the little problem to get out of the way."
-"Every solution breeds new problems."

my favorite of the day-
"Smile . . . tomorrow will be worse."

Aniewiel · Sep 09, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

This thread has gotten way out of hand. It IS possible for people to have differing opinions and be able to state them in non-inflammatory ways. That said, enough with unproductive posts.

Back to the playground, kids.